Jaws not Jesus: Crystal Palace cinema campaigners continue fight against church (From Streatham Guardian)

There is an on-line petition to support the cinema proposal here...
http://www.petitiono
nline.com/acfcp

And a facebook campaign here.... http://www.facebook.
com/group.php?gid=93
895723250

The more support we get the more likely that any planning application will be refused.

Let's hope that common sense will prevail - why do we want another church? I understand that KICC brings in 8k worshippers every sunday - where oh where oh where are they all going to Park? NO NO NO this isnt what the area needs it needs to be uplifted economically not spiritually by another money making quasi religious outfit.

This is a purpose-built cinema with fine art deco architectural features. If there is any chance of it being restored as a cinema it will be a great asset to Upper Norwood

A cinema would be a great asset for Crystal Palace. A church would do nothing for the triangle except blocking Church Road off even more than it is already. An outrage if Bromley would allow the change of usage from community space to ch

Crystal Palace is a vibrant and friendly area with excellent bars and restaurants for the cinema's customers to visit before and after their movie treat. Pastor Matthew Ashimolowo needs a much larger venue than this to spread his words.

Err, pardon me - this smacks a tad of 'racism' here ? Every man and his three-legged dog... knows that a large number of our wonderful black British residents attend these Evangelical Churches to worship, sing, and dance - the singing, clapping, and dancing, is truely wonderful and should be embraced by the locals - we should really be supporting this group at Crystal Palace... and the parking issue is a very small issue to be concerned about - I suggest 'racism' is lurking just below the surface of these complainers - let the protestors prove they are not racist by allowing this Church to go ahead!!

I am deeply concerned by the lack of consultation with the local community over the sale and change of use of this historic building.

Hundreds of fellow cinema supporters are making their voices heard, please sign the petition:
http://www.petitiono
nline.com/acfcp

Ah bless 'the Scoffer' for trying to wind up us pro-cinema folk.... I very much doubt there is even the slightest hint of racism either on the surface, or 'lurking just below' as you put it. The bottom-line is that the majority of locals would just prefer a new cinema to another church. Thats it. Think its a bit of stretch to imply racism is at the bottom of it. At the end of the day, a cinema is for the many, a church is for the few...

I agree with TMR there is no racism or anti-religious feeling going on- The reality is that we already have five churches in the area, including an evangelist one, so why do we need a 6th when a cinema chain is interested in the site and would bring sustainable redevelopment to the area? A 6th church would bring no such benefit, and given its size the local infrastructure would be totally unable to cope. Why recategorise a building that has been set aside for D2 use (cinema or Bingo) and change it into a D1 under such circunstances?

The comment "another money making quasi religious outfit." is not helpful and scurillous. The issue is about what is in the benefit of the local community and trades people, and this what the council needs to consider before approving change of use. And the parking is an issue. Let's hope Bromley see sense and deny the change of use.

KICC is a community friendly church and has been so for the past 13 years since it established branches south of the River Thames. They have been helpful in dealing with issues that plague our communities and will be bringing valuable contributions to crystal palace. I have known them for sometime now. They are not a quasi money-making religious outfit. They have professionals who contribute immmensely to the society. Their presence in Crystal palace is to be welcome

Re: "theScoffer"

Your comments make the assumption that no black residents want a cinema in Crystal Palace. In fact, both the online and paper petitions have been signed by many different people who all share a common interest - they would simply prefer a cinema to a church at this particular site.

Kind regards,
MrLee

the scoffer wrote:
Err, pardon me - this smacks a tad of 'racism' here ? Every man and his three-legged dog... knows that a large number of our wonderful black British residents attend these Evangelical Churches to worship, sing, and dance - the singing, clapping, and dancing, is truely wonderful and should be embraced by the locals - we should really be supporting this group at Crystal Palace... and the parking issue is a very small issue to be concerned about - I suggest 'racism' is lurking just below the surface of these complainers - let the protestors prove they are not racist by allowing this Church to go ahead!!

As a BNP activist I'd have thought you'd understand the concept of racism a lot better than you appear to. Not one reference to race apart from yours ... not one objection to the Church on the grounds of who's likely to use it ... fact is most people don't need to prove they're not racist because most people aren't ignorant fools like yourself

Good luck with the Cinema - knowing the area well I think it's a good idea and will be much appreciated by the WHOLE community

This is the best news and the best thing that can happen to Crystal Palace and its neighbourhood.

I have known this church for well over a decade and wherever they have been established, they have been known to create job opportunities and they work together with the local community to solve snti-social and rehabilitation issues, I am so excited to see them here.

NastyMrTom wrote:

the scoffer wrote: Err, pardon me - this smacks a tad of 'racism' here ? Every man and his three-legged dog... knows that a large number of our wonderful black British residents attend these Evangelical Churches to worship, sing, and dance - the singing, clapping, and dancing, is truely wonderful and should be embraced by the locals - we should really be supporting this group at Crystal Palace... and the parking issue is a very small issue to be concerned about - I suggest 'racism' is lurking just below the surface of these complainers - let the protestors prove they are not racist by allowing this Church to go ahead!!

As a BNP activist I'd have thought you'd understand the concept of racism a lot better than you appear to. Not one reference to race apart from yours ... not one objection to the Church on the grounds of who's likely to use it ... fact is most people don't need to prove they're not racist because most people aren't ignorant fools like yourself Good luck with the Cinema - knowing the area well I think it's a good idea and will be much appreciated by the WHOLE community

More ill conceived thoughts from the resident agent provocateur!!!!!

KICC is a peaceful and well run church that places high value on people and families, making them aspire to become the best in life. KICC is about ‘Raising Champions …’and it is time for Crystal Palace to be noted for breeding champions in every sphere of life. Whao!! this is great news for South London and beyond and we should embrace and welcome its presence here, as without a doubt KICC will positively influence the lives of our youths, transforming them to be excellent leaders of tomorrow.

ron da ron ron wrote:

NastyMrTom wrote:

the scoffer wrote: Err, pardon me - this smacks a tad of 'racism' here ? Every man and his three-legged dog... knows that a large number of our wonderful black British residents attend these Evangelical Churches to worship, sing, and dance - the singing, clapping, and dancing, is truely wonderful and should be embraced by the locals - we should really be supporting this group at Crystal Palace... and the parking issue is a very small issue to be concerned about - I suggest 'racism' is lurking just below the surface of these complainers - let the protestors prove they are not racist by allowing this Church to go ahead!!

As a BNP activist I'd have thought you'd understand the concept of racism a lot better than you appear to. Not one reference to race apart from yours ... not one objection to the Church on the grounds of who's likely to use it ... fact is most people don't need to prove they're not racist because most people aren't ignorant fools like yourself Good luck with the Cinema - knowing the area well I think it's a good idea and will be much appreciated by the WHOLE community

More ill conceived thoughts from the resident agent provocateur!!!!!

New balls!! for n.m.t. ROFL!!

the scoffer wrote:

ron da ron ron wrote:

NastyMrTom wrote:

the scoffer wrote: Err, pardon me - this smacks a tad of 'racism' here ? Every man and his three-legged dog... knows that a large number of our wonderful black British residents attend these Evangelical Churches to worship, sing, and dance - the singing, clapping, and dancing, is truely wonderful and should be embraced by the locals - we should really be supporting this group at Crystal Palace... and the parking issue is a very small issue to be concerned about - I suggest 'racism' is lurking just below the surface of these complainers - let the protestors prove they are not racist by allowing this Church to go ahead!!

As a BNP activist I'd have thought you'd understand the concept of racism a lot better than you appear to. Not one reference to race apart from yours ... not one objection to the Church on the grounds of who's likely to use it ... fact is most people don't need to prove they're not racist because most people aren't ignorant fools like yourself Good luck with the Cinema - knowing the area well I think it's a good idea and will be much appreciated by the WHOLE community

More ill conceived thoughts from the resident agent provocateur!!!!!

New balls!! for n.m.t. ROFL!!

Ha ha mate you dumping all your old gags on george street now ya ha ha

Mister Brian Sewer wrote:

the scoffer wrote:

ron da ron ron wrote:

NastyMrTom wrote:

the scoffer wrote: Err, pardon me - this smacks a tad of 'racism' here ? Every man and his three-legged dog... knows that a large number of our wonderful black British residents attend these Evangelical Churches to worship, sing, and dance - the singing, clapping, and dancing, is truely wonderful and should be embraced by the locals - we should really be supporting this group at Crystal Palace... and the parking issue is a very small issue to be concerned about - I suggest 'racism' is lurking just below the surface of these complainers - let the protestors prove they are not racist by allowing this Church to go ahead!!

As a BNP activist I'd have thought you'd understand the concept of racism a lot better than you appear to. Not one reference to race apart from yours ... not one objection to the Church on the grounds of who's likely to use it ... fact is most people don't need to prove they're not racist because most people aren't ignorant fools like yourself Good luck with the Cinema - knowing the area well I think it's a good idea and will be much appreciated by the WHOLE community

More ill conceived thoughts from the resident agent provocateur!!!!!

New balls!! for n.m.t. ROFL!!

Ha ha mate you dumping all your old gags on george street now ya ha ha

Indeed Ron... but there's a ditty-little poem scrawled on a wall in George Street - And still the Council have not removed it after what THREE months!! jeez... I'd dump the bloke in charge of that department!! rofl!!

I think this is an excellent development and will immensely benefit Crystal Palace. KICC is a wonderful church which is committed to building the community. I think we should embrace this forward looking organisation and celebrate the transformation of Church Street triangle.

femititi, the local community are making it very clear that the KICC plans for Church Road are not in line with what the community wants. The KICC is simply using its substantial wealth to buy up multiple properties and will force local traders out of business and severely impact the quality of life of local residents. We have been trying to get a cinema group interested in the site for some time only for the KICC to come along and out bid them.

Anyone who wants to help figght the inappropriate development of church road can go to
www.picture-palace.o
rg for advice on what they can do.

KICC deserves to be given a chance. Yes, they are a church but one that is keen on developing and adding value to the local community. I believe this is good for Crystal Palace and the benefits will soon be seen!!