Problem Carshalton pub closed by Sutton Council

Streatham Guardian: The Coach and Horses in Carshalton High Street The Coach and Horses in Carshalton High Street

A problem pub has been closed after it was found to be a haven for illegal activity.

The welfare of children as young as six was put at risk by parents taking them to the Coach and Horses in Carshalton straight from school, drug taking and stolen goods sold on the premises, were raised at a meeting of Sutton Council’s licensing committee.

Officers said assaults were also common at the pub in the High Street, along with illegal lock-ins, and highly intoxicated customers being allowed to serve themselves behind the bar.

At the meeting on Monday the pubs owners, Punch Taverns, agreed to close the pub for six weeks from next Wednesday until it found new suitable tenants to run it.

Sutton Council also slapped a series of conditions on the future running of the pub.

Gary Grant, a lawyer representing the Metropolitan Police, told the hearing: “There has been a lack of appropriate management that has led to a complete lack of control of the operation.”

He said a pubgoer who had visited the establishment for 20 years said it “had gone completely to pot”, while police who visited it were met “with a uniquely hostile atmosphere”.

Mr Grant said even a designated premises supervisor, brought in as “a knight in shining armour” to improve the running of the pub, had been convicted of fraud within a month of his arrival.

Punch Taverns, who came to an agreement over the future of the pub in private meetings with the police before the hearing, agreed that the pub’s licence be revoked for six weeks.

A member of bar staff who had worked at the pub for 22 years wept as details of the closure were read out to the hearing.

A spokesman for Punch Taverns at the hearing said he was confident the pub would be turned around under new management.

Councillor Sue Stears, chairman of Sutton Council’s licensing committee, said: “It’s clear there have been some very serious problems at the Coach and Horses pub, including multiple breaches of its current licence.

“The licence holder, Punch Taverns, has had every opportunity to improve the situation, and I hope that the strict conditions we are imposing will send out the message that this lack of management will not be tolerated.”

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2:01pm Thu 5 Jul 12

I hope not says...

I have been in here a few times and it's actually a nice pub and a good night out with great live music. Shame that a minority have spoiled it for everyone else.
I have been in here a few times and it's actually a nice pub and a good night out with great live music. Shame that a minority have spoiled it for everyone else. I hope not

2:39pm Thu 5 Jul 12

Krissi says...

It certainly used to be a reasonably nice pub- at least before 7 when we used to go in- but then we have been in pubs before where they were supposed to be rough and I've never had any trouble- nor hubby either
It certainly used to be a reasonably nice pub- at least before 7 when we used to go in- but then we have been in pubs before where they were supposed to be rough and I've never had any trouble- nor hubby either Krissi

3:37pm Thu 5 Jul 12

beckysfriend says...

I have visited here on a number of occasions and it is a bloomin marvelous pub. management and decor may not be up to par, but customers, staff and music make up for that. as for children, they are allowed in wetherspoons from 9am till 9pm , and other local pubs allow children so why not this fine establishment? just another proper old pub gone down the swanny. Rest in peace coach x
I have visited here on a number of occasions and it is a bloomin marvelous pub. management and decor may not be up to par, but customers, staff and music make up for that. as for children, they are allowed in wetherspoons from 9am till 9pm , and other local pubs allow children so why not this fine establishment? just another proper old pub gone down the swanny. Rest in peace coach x beckysfriend

5:48pm Thu 5 Jul 12

Michael Pantlin says...

If they drove a coach and horses through the rules that are in place to protect everyone and ensure they are safe and have a pleasant outing then they need to be kept in check; I can think of another one where trouble has churned up from time to time over several years.
If they drove a coach and horses through the rules that are in place to protect everyone and ensure they are safe and have a pleasant outing then they need to be kept in check; I can think of another one where trouble has churned up from time to time over several years. Michael Pantlin

9:42am Fri 6 Jul 12

emelem says...

turn it into an alcohol rehab facility, paid for by those who commit crimes while drunk :)
turn it into an alcohol rehab facility, paid for by those who commit crimes while drunk :) emelem

11:51am Sat 7 Jul 12

Michael Pantlin says...

emelem wrote:
turn it into an alcohol rehab facility, paid for by those who commit crimes while drunk :)
The Sutton Life Centre has been looking for a role ever since it was built.
[quote][p][bold]emelem[/bold] wrote: turn it into an alcohol rehab facility, paid for by those who commit crimes while drunk :)[/p][/quote]The Sutton Life Centre has been looking for a role ever since it was built. Michael Pantlin

9:55pm Sat 7 Jul 12

grampsyg says...

This article is biased; there are two sides to every story to us regulars it will be missed as meeting place for decent hardworking PROPER people.
This article is biased; there are two sides to every story to us regulars it will be missed as meeting place for decent hardworking PROPER people. grampsyg

4:24am Mon 9 Jul 12

emelem says...

PROPER people can meet up anywhere, eh?
PROPER people can meet up anywhere, eh? emelem

8:42pm Mon 9 Jul 12

Monstermunch17 says...

PROPER as opposed to what? People made of plasticine?

Bulldoze it, make into flats. Pubs should be welcoming, community hubs - when they turn inwards and become dominated by a homogenous, low-life group, the writing is on the wall.
PROPER as opposed to what? People made of plasticine? Bulldoze it, make into flats. Pubs should be welcoming, community hubs - when they turn inwards and become dominated by a homogenous, low-life group, the writing is on the wall. Monstermunch17

9:11pm Mon 9 Jul 12

Crease2000 says...

I'd be very surprised if it was demolished. If you look at photos of the High Street from over 100 years ago, you'll see that the pub usually features in there and still looks the same to this very day.
I'd be very surprised if it was demolished. If you look at photos of the High Street from over 100 years ago, you'll see that the pub usually features in there and still looks the same to this very day. Crease2000

4:29pm Tue 10 Jul 12

moveawayifcould says...

Although the headline leads you to believe otherwise if you read the article correctly the licence has been revoked for 6 weeks only, was still open yesterday when I drove past it.
Although the headline leads you to believe otherwise if you read the article correctly the licence has been revoked for 6 weeks only, was still open yesterday when I drove past it. moveawayifcould

4:30pm Tue 10 Jul 12

cool20 says...

Lovely old building, shame about some of the people who frequent it!Another pretty Victorian pub near the Sun has the same problem- really rough.However, the Sun in Mill Lane (now a trendy wine bar/restaurant has good food & great atmosphere. Carshalton's historical pub buildings are unique as is Carshalton village. The problem pubs need the right manager with imagination and forsight to deter low life.
Lovely old building, shame about some of the people who frequent it!Another pretty Victorian pub near the Sun has the same problem- really rough.However, the Sun in Mill Lane (now a trendy wine bar/restaurant has good food & great atmosphere. Carshalton's historical pub buildings are unique as is Carshalton village. The problem pubs need the right manager with imagination and forsight to deter low life. cool20

6:55pm Tue 10 Jul 12

beckysfriend says...

licence only revoked for 6 weeks.then they can re-open.
licence only revoked for 6 weeks.then they can re-open. beckysfriend

6:45pm Wed 11 Jul 12

I hope not says...

Today is the day that it closes and you want to know whose fault it is ? Alex the landlord. I feel very sorry for his lovely son who did his best to keep it running. It WILL re-open in six weeks once the brewery have sorted it out. Don't bash when you do not know what you are talking about.
Today is the day that it closes and you want to know whose fault it is ? Alex the landlord. I feel very sorry for his lovely son who did his best to keep it running. It WILL re-open in six weeks once the brewery have sorted it out. Don't bash when you do not know what you are talking about. I hope not

7:58pm Wed 11 Jul 12

Crease2000 says...

It's been sealed up today. I saw it being done.

"I hope not says. . .", - the place is being bashed because of undisputed reports in this paper. If the landlord feels that he is being mis-represented then perhaps you should direct him here or to the local Guardian for his side of things. In the meantime, the police and the brewery have agreed to shut the place down, so something dodgy must've been going on?
It's been sealed up today. I saw it being done. "I hope not says. . .", - the place is being bashed because of undisputed reports in this paper. If the landlord feels that he is being mis-represented then perhaps you should direct him here or to the local Guardian for his side of things. In the meantime, the police and the brewery have agreed to shut the place down, so something dodgy must've been going on? Crease2000

9:18pm Wed 11 Jul 12

grampsyg says...

Agree with ''I hope not says'' 110%, nothing went on in this pub that does goes on in the majority of pubs in the area, the police know this, the closure of the pub should, and could have, been avoided. Some very good people are out of work due to absolute incompent management.
Agree with ''I hope not says'' 110%, nothing went on in this pub that does goes on in the majority of pubs in the area, the police know this, the closure of the pub should, and could have, been avoided. Some very good people are out of work due to absolute incompent management. grampsyg

3:31pm Thu 12 Jul 12

the old bear says...

Pretty sure it is a listed building anyway. as one contributer said the Sun & the Hope have turned into well run decent pubs after being rough as old boots so hope springs eternal? There are another couple local that could do with a cull!!
Pretty sure it is a listed building anyway. as one contributer said the Sun & the Hope have turned into well run decent pubs after being rough as old boots so hope springs eternal? There are another couple local that could do with a cull!! the old bear

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